Paul Thurrott just said on Windows Weekly that Windows phone is "out on Verizon". I would say its pretty clear. Its not happening anytime soon.
Interesting assertion about VZW demanding MSFT not make the Lumias compatible with VZW's network, which would directly violate the rules. I'm curious if you have anything to support this theory?
(Side Note: Love the moniker!)
I also sent a message to Mr. Small.
Let's see how well Verizon really listens to its customers & if there's any response.
I'm betting not...other than the normal 'canned' one.
Then I guess Paul Thurrott speaks for VZW and Microsoft. VZW might as well lock all these threads from further discussion....
Corporate Business changes it's mind at the drop of a hat. At the time Paul's recording of that statement Microsoft could have struck a bargain with VZW..,
It's Microsoft best interest to get these phones on as many US carriers a possible. Microsoft can turn on the network/bands used by VZW for unlocked phones and VZW can't do anything about it.
Thanks! You in NH by chance?
The reason I'm making the assertion is that the hardware supports CDMA and Band 13 natively (808/810 chipset). So for them to not be listed means that they're disabled in firmware by Microsoft.
The reason why they would have to be disabled and just have a note on the site that Verizon won't support the phones is because Band 13, by FCC auction rules is open. It cannot have SIM locked devices and must allow 3rd party devices on it. That's what Verizon agreed to when they won the auction. So if MS had the devices unlocked and supporting CDMA and Band 13 Verizon would be risking FCC action if they prevented the device from going on their network.
Thus since this is intentional on MS's part all you have to do is follow why. The only logical reason is that Verizon said either disable it or we won't negotiate to sell it. (They'll note doubt negotiate for their on variant with a stupid Verizon logo everywhere they possibly can have it.)
John there's more to it than just the radio. There's other hardware required. Yes the radio itself can transmit the frequenciess, but a radio itself alone isn't enough.
I'm curious how many windows phone users have a grandfathered unlimited data plan. Is it costly for Verizon to provide network support? I could careless if Verizon sells it directly I just want it to work. Verizon lied to me about when I went off contract with the new plans and of course was told something completely different when I finally got off contract. T mobile will be cheaper for me. So it is what it is.
I still have my unlimited data plan..... I got it when I got the Samsung SCH-i600 and the unlimited data plan + 2000 text messages was only $20/month. If there is no flagship @Windows10 devices on VZW quickly, I won't hesitate to give up that plan.
(Side note: I often get calls from VZW people trying to get me off that plan and they always promise that they can lower my monthly bill..... Then they look up my plan and the stuttering and backpedaling starts.)
Which is why the antennas in the phone will easily support LTE Band 13 and already supports all of the rest of the bands.
The hardware has EVERYTHING it needs to support CDMA and LTE Band 13 on Verizon. This is Verizon being stupid and forcing MS to block it. How they're forcing MS to block it is open for discussion, but it's clear they're blocking it.
Why am I so sure? Go look at the Google Nexus 5x and 6P. Both have the same chipset and fewer antennas and both support Verizon and Sprint out of the box. Why? Because Google either worked with Verizon ahead of time and get they're blessing or said "Screw you" and enabled it anyhow and let Verizon be the bad guy preventing it on their network.
So I say again: MS is intentionally disabling CDMA and LTE Band 13 in the firmware. The only question is WHY?