Verizon playing games again...

Kohld
Novice

I have never seen a company that has such an obvious pathological fear of releasing information to their customers. I can only form the mental picture of some PHB, with tin foil draped over his bald spot, announcing to his underlings that their marketing philosophy will consist of not telling customers anything about their products.

If my Trophy was not on its last legs I would not care as much, but as someone who likes to be informed before making large expenditures I find it enormously frustrating to have to make buying decisions completely in the dark because Verizon does not share information about upcoming products so that I can plan to purchase the device that will best suit my needs in the timeframe I choose.

If the 929 is nothing but a rumor, say so.

If you have no other Windows phones in the pipeline, say so.

If you do have an upcoming Windows phone, say so.

I have, on multiple occasions, convinced my management to change a vendor based solely on the fact that they refused to disclose their future plans. I really hope Verizon's policy of secrecy costs them dearly in customers very soon.

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mrowmrif2
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i second that.  i've been eligible for upgrade (my wife has, too) since June.  JUNE!  i've waited through the 5c and 5s, i've waited through the galaxy s4 and HTC One... waiting... waiting.  AT&T gets its sick 41 MP camera 1020, and still i wait...  smoke and mirrors, rumors and bs.

can you please release the damn 929 already?  i'm sure you just want to move 928 inventory first, but really?  REALLY?  you think the people who are going to upgrade are going to bail and go 928 instead when this is sitting in the wings, pending release?  you'll capture the marketshare of people who want a new phone for cheap and are willing to go with 1+ year old tech for $0-$50... what is that, 5-10%?  and the other 90% of us loyalists who are anticipating this new flagship are sitting here on our thumbs, whining in forums because the #1 coverage carrier in the US hasn't released the biggest phone of the year months after its development announcement.

cmon verizon.  Q1 2014 is too late.

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jroeder
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It's not Verizon on that one. AT&T has a marriage with Nokia where all Nokia phones are exclusive to AT&T for 6 months. Then Nokia, not Verizon decides whether or not they will release it to Verizon and when. Verizon can beg and complain all they want but that doesn't make a difference because of Nokia's agreement with AT&T. So if you want release dates, look at when it was released to AT&T and shoot for 6-7 months away from that date.

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Kohld
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I doubt that is the issue in this case as the 929 is definitely, as downgrades go, different enough to not violate any exclusivity agreement.

But if that is the case and Verizon will always play second fiddle on Windows Phone releases, we are definitely contracted with the wrong provider and it has nothing to do with the fact that they will not talk to us.

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mrowmrif2
Member

the 929 is a verizon exclusive...  it has nothing to do with AT&T at all.  in fact, according to the naming convention, it is an upgrade to the existing 928, not a brand new phone like, say, the 1020.  component and OS enhancements but overall a very similar device.  i just don't understand the holdup here other than some bogus marketing/inventory liquidation strategy.

and do note that the AT&T exclusivity contracts existed pre-sale to Microsoft...  i sincerely doubt this will be the case going forward once MS has control and the contracts expire.  MS was broad market saturation to compete with all other devices on every carrier...  you have to think this was probably one of the reasons nokia struggled to begin with - exclusivity gave them money up front/guaranteed, but it also hamstrung them and limited their market.

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Kohld
Novice

Yes, we need to get over letting the network providers control our hardware choices.

If Nokia could just sell me the 1520, as they designed it not as AT&T is releasing it, with support for the Verizon network I would happily hand over up to $750 without blinking and tie it to my existing number. It would end the network provider lock in and force them to compete on the merits of their network, not the devices.

You would think Verizon would like this as they supposedly have the best network.

As things stand though, the games they are playing almost(?) call for a RICO investigation.

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primortal
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If only....

I think the only way this would ever happen is that there is only one "network" (one flavor of LTE/3G) standard across all carriers.  If you want to go to another carrier get a new SIM for your device.  Sadly this will NEVER happen.

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Kohld
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Oh, I think it could work with different networks.

Just do something simple like create a standard interface for a combination radio/sim plug in that the providers could sell. This would give them control over the actual hardware that communicates with their network and lets the customer choose his device as needed.

This approach would even let you use the same module in multiple devices, phone/tablet/laptop/desktop/etc..., depending on your needs.

Hmmm... can I patent an forum post? Smiley Embarassed

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jroeder
Sr. Member

The 929 is a Verizon exclusive. I never said any model was exclusive. I stated all new Nokia W8 phones are exclusive to AT&T for 6 months, even if that exact model is not available with AT&T. So because of the agreement Nokia made with AT&T, when Nokia releases new phones to Verizon they have to rename them as to not upset the agreement with AT&T. You are correct however, if you are looking for brand new W8 phones, you are contracted with the wrong provider. Verizon will always be at least 6 months behind. Since Nokia released a new W8 phone to AT&T Verizon cannot release a new Nokia W8 phone even if its a different model, because Nokia won't let them.

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primortal
Sr. Member

Nice Idea....

Too bad the components/radios aren't small enough to fit in the SIM card.

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