Re: Lumia 950 and 950 XL (or some variant)
FXi
Enthusiast - Level 2

Well no 1520 for VZ is shame on VZ

No 950/XL on VZ shame on me if I'm not smart enough to seek out a new carrier.

You'd have thought after the debacle (later turned huger profit win) that was VZ's dragging their heels on the iPhone they would have the good sense to stick with it.  But attitudes in stores and the polite but vague press releases are the real story.  "We never told MS that" simply means they never made a written statement to said effect.  But from high fees to lengthy delays, VZ feels that Win Phone is too much bother to be on board.  Remember that updates were last Fall (2014) delayed because they claimed the update harmed "VZ Navigator" functionality.  See what business they are trying to protect?  And the customers they are trying to serve?  Just like the iPhone it appears that ATT will have to show VZ how you foster a product from weak beginnings to flagship status (like the iPhone).  It takes years and it takes effort.  So as those CDMA networks fade and LTE is on everyone's tower, what will VZ offer?  Will they lead or will they let others take the reins and show them how to produce a future flagship product?

With the news on the 950/XL, it appears they have no ability to lead.

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Re: Lumia 950 and 950 XL (or some variant)
Tidbits
Legend

That article is so wrong. If people actually read open access and read the FCC documentation they will find it is in fact technological as well as Verizon has nothing to do with it.  People will also find the who ECID argument is out the window from 4 years ago. Verizon switched over to the authentication system that AT&T and T-Mobile uses...

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Re: Lumia 950 and 950 XL (or some variant)
tradeintrick
Contributor - Level 3

Let us look and see.

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Re: Lumia 950 and 950 XL (or some variant)
Tidbits
Legend

Here's an article from 4 years ago that explained the change in the authentication system. LTE devices had trouble with the switch. Since there was no windows phones around that time that had LTE it went unnoticed to a lot of windows users and the problem was fixed prior to LTE windows phone.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/12/19/this-is-why-your-verizon-galaxy-nexus-or-other-4g-lte-vzw-ph...

Now block C open access rules specifically states. If the device can access the networks it must be able to connect and be used. That means if MS actually put in the hardware, did the software, and went through all the licensing and testing by the consortium (Qualcomm, FCC, WiFi, and bluetooth) and put it out in the market like that Verizon can't stop it from connecting. If they do they will be fined, and can potentially lose their billions of dollars investment and lose the Block C licensing. This is why they switched to the new GSM based authentication scheme. It's the reason why the unlocked  Nexus 6 and higher, the iphone 5S and higher, and the Moto X 2015 when you put a Verizon sim in it they connect and MyVerizon will tell you non-Verizon device but still work. It's the same with AT&T and T-Mobile if the IMEI is not in their database it'll show a place holder like that as well.

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Re: Lumia 950 and 950 XL (or some variant)
msgtrain
Enthusiast - Level 1

I will get the lumia 950 and if Verizon does not offer it I will have to move on to a different carrier! I have been with version for over 16 years and won't hesitate to move but as big of a company they are they should give us these options!

Re: Lumia 950 and 950 XL (or some variant)
Tidbits
Legend

Do it now. There's already enough information out saying it isn't going to happen. Especially the FCC filings for the phone.

Re: Lumia 950 and 950 XL (or some variant)
SickFreak
Specialist - Level 1

A little hard to do it now... but in a few days/weeks.  We are still waiting on the phones to become available.

Re: Lumia 950 and 950 XL (or some variant)
chris_windows
Newbie

If Verizon can't lead the industry with new technology, IE: cutting edge phones, what is their value?  all of the networks have similar coverage.  Verizon's once awesome customer service looks more like AT&T everyday...  Over 10-years a customer & they once again, block new phones (Nokia 920/928, Apple I-6, etc. etc.), this might be the end of it for me.....

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Re: Lumia 950 and 950 XL (or some variant)
tradeintrick
Contributor - Level 3

You are a real fan of Windows Phone.

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Re: Lumia 950 and 950 XL (or some variant)
47seijar
Specialist - Level 2

I disagree about coverage by the various carriers being equal. Nobody can touch Verizon here in northern NJ. Sure, in big cities you can get a signal even with Sprint. But then it comes down to network speed. Overall, nobody compares to Verizon around here.

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