I still don't see how its an option. In a year and a half from now, if I want a subsidized phone, Verizon is telling me I have to give up unlimited data. That is not an option.
An option would be to say, you have this plan now, but we are also offering this new plan that could save you money. When you get your next subsidized phone we want to you to weigh your options and chose the best plan for you.
That's an option. What Verizon is doing is making a demand.
Last week went in to look for an upgrade...the girl tells me I should wait for the Samsung S3 coming out on July 11. She fails to tell me about the June 28 cut off to upgrade your phone or lose your unlimited data. I am LIVID!!!!!!! Like everyone else, this "Share Everything" plan does NOT save me money, but increases my bill. We already pay for my husband to have the 2GB service and he exceeds it every month. So...let me get this straight.....I'm a a LOYAL, LONGSTANDING customer that was rewarded for that by having my unlimited data grandfathered to me . Now....it's the big ol screw you to all of of loyal Verizon customers for sticking with them. I will NEVER upgrade my phone and I think T-Mobile or Sprint just got three new customers. WAY TO GO VERIZON FOR THE WAY YOU'RE TREATING YOUR LOYAL CUSTOMERS!! CLASS ACT!!!!!!
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How is it diminishing returns when someone has to pay full retail price to keep their plans? They should be giving discounts on the plans by your logic.
In the 1980s, the carriers claimed that the reason why that they needed to make people sign contracts was to protect them for the "investment" they had into the equipment. now almost 30 years latter, VZW has decided that they have to force you into changing not just your equipment, but also into a more expensive plan. They are ripping off their customers by constantly forcing customers into more expensive plans, or now to have to pay full retail price (which is unusually expensive in price) for the equipment. Few can afford up to $700 for the equipment. Thats why they had the contracts to begin with was to make the equiment affordable.
In 1998 the supreme court ruled that the contracts were tied to subsidization of devices and that it must have diminishing returns. Which what we have today on all contracts. Verizon isn't putting a gun to your head and forcing you out of your plan. You have a choice to move to another carrier after your contract expires(which you will be on the current plan), you can sign a new CONTRACT with them and either pick a new plan or keep the current one you are on(except the unlimited plan). This is why the FCC will do nothing. You have MULTIPLE choices.
I DO NOT HAVE MULTIPLE CHOICE IN MY AREA! I ONLY HAVE 2 CHOICES, AND BOTH VZW AND ATT ARE RIPPING OFF PEOPLE! They are putting a gun to every subscribers head when they trick the average subscriber into changing their plans in order to get that "FREE PHONE". Most of the time, they dont explain that its going to change your plans and I can tell you from 13years in the industry that average Americans dont read their contracts when they sign them. And I am talking about the 1933 communications act which states that licensees must utilize the frequency allications for the betterment of the American people.
I am also doing a complaint to the FCC claiming that VZW has violated their spectrum agreements because they are not providing a reasonably priced service for the spectrum that has been licensed to them. They agreed to that when they leased the wireless spectrum from the American People.
They have not. Have you read block C rules?
Mobi is a 3rd party reseller which Verizon sells their 700mhz spectrum use to. Mobi hasn't done anything with it yet. The "reasonably priced service" isn't about consumers, and about 3rd party service resellers.
AGAIN I AM TALKING ABOUT THE ORIGINAL 1933 TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT! The block c rules were after the fact, and in my opinion violates the original ACT which takes precidence over any "rules".
FYI for tethering which people are claiming violates. It does not say they can't charge for the service in the rules. It works and it isn't removed from the phones. It isn't a violation. FTC would have done something long ago about it. With the new shared plan they opened them up to everyone it's bundled with their new plans.
Tethering has always been an acceptable means of using your minutes until suddenly VZW decided that they could make money off of it. VZW does in fact violate the terms of their contract because they do in fact do everything they can, both legally and technologically, to prevent people from tethering while using non-verizon approved apps, software, or hardware (that dont otherwise harm their network as per federal law).
Google Wallet - has security concerns and it was put out there and people saw them. Google has rectified some of them, but not all of them. That allows whomever to block it without violating block c rules.
locked bootloaders - Same as above.
VZW has repeatedly used this excuse to boot even safe programs.
If they continue with this path, I hope that they completely lose their rights to transmit from towers within the jurisdiction of the the USA.
Not going to happen. If they did violate the "block c rules" their 4G network would be down now because they wouldn't have the spectrum. Which it is up and running at 700mhz.
You get enough people complaining to their congressmen/senators, it could very well happen! The FTC and the FCC could and should come down on VZW like a ton of bricks. They are a monopoly in many areas of the country and certain acts (like the SHERMAN ACT) could kick in which would require them to split up their licenses and spectrums.
^^^^ This is exactly why you will never see a VZW employee responding to these type of discussions. They will not get into the middle of a debate such as this. It is also most likely against their own policies as well. To do so would put them at risk for losing their jobs.
jacobweber2000 wrote:
Wish a VZW rep would come on here and say something. Their silence is incredible on this situation. They really think that the roar will die down. Im sorry but the more you try to screw your customers, the louder the roar will be from all the hangups and disconnects.
I'm most definitely NOT a VZW employee. If a post answered your question, please mark it as the answer.
I must agree with you. We also are grandfathered into the old unlimited plan and if we want to upgrade our phones, which we are due, we will lose the old plan and be forced into the new "family share plan". I am upset that even after the two year contract is up we still have to pay $200 to $300 per new phone - that is ridiculous when they are changing our plan and requiring us to begin a new 2 year contract. Have been with Verizon for 11 years and they just keep getting worse.
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michaeljtimko wrote:
I still don't see how its an option. In a year and a half from now, if I want a subsidized phone, Verizon is telling me I have to give up unlimited data. That is not an option.
you're worried about nearly 2 years from now? i wouldn't even concern yourself with this then. by then, the entire industry will be different.
Verizon contracts are for 2 years. At the end of 2 years, your contract expires and you revert to month-to-month. At that point, there are no contractual obligations on your part or the part of Verizon. Verizon did "grandfather" our unlimited data plans. However, that was not a contractual guarantee of anything. As a company selling a product, they are free to change their product and prices whenever they choose. They have chosen to do so effective 6/28/2012. When your current contract expires, there are no contractual obligations on your part or the part of Verizon. They have said we can keep our unlimited data if we don't sign a new contract, but they can change that policy whenever they choose. You can stay or leave whenever you choose. That's how it works.
Out of curiosity, how much of that 6 gig data are you actually using?
I had this discussion with my brother-in-law yesterday, where the bill was going to be slightly higher. I asked him if he kept an eye on his data use and knew exactly what he and his wife went through every month and it turned out that they used less than half of their 2 gig (each phone) per month, and really had no need to go up to a 4 gig plan. Sometime what he have isn't what we need.
Shopping for a new carrier today... The new plan is clearly not a benefit to the majority of customers, and after 20 plus years with VZ the company greed has gone too far. The luxury, not requirement of having a cellphone, is not worth the price. Will move on to another carrier reluctantly, and if they eventually follow suit with price increases, we do not require cellphones!
I am fully aware of how "that" works; however, I am totally disgusted with the pricing reduction that is nonexistent at the end of the 2year agreement. Even if I chose to sign a new 2year agreement the price of one of their new smart phones is still about $199 to $299. That isn't much of an incentive to sign a new contract, nor is it much of a reduction after being a loyal customer for 11 years.
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Okay let's say this again you only have to change plans if you are on unlimited and get a discounted phone. Even if you have unlimited and don't need a phone and contract ends you get to stay on unlimited
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