Bloatware, Junkware, Cr@pware

[ktm89p]

Obviously Verizon is not listening to any of this. They want to force it on the consumer, but we don't have to use it. My issue is with the forced multi MegaByte updates for an Application that has never been opened. Bing, Books, NFL Mobile, Skype Mobile, V Cast Music, V Cast Tones, V Cast Videos, VZ Navigator are all junk bloatware using up valuable memory with updates. I keep removing the updates to conserve memory and they keep putting them back on. I'm okay with the inability to remove the basic software, I just wish there was a way to stop them from using up my data plan and memory with that junk.

[dirkbonn]

---

ktm89p wrote:

Obviously Verizon is not listening to any of this. They want to force it on the consumer, but we don't have to use it. My issue is with the forced multi MegaByte updates for an Application that has never been opened. Bing, Books, NFL Mobile, Skype Mobile, V Cast Music, V Cast Tones, V Cast Videos, VZ Navigator are all junk bloatware using up valuable memory with updates. I keep removing the updates to conserve memory and they keep putting them back on. I'm okay with the inability to remove the basic software, I just wish there was a way to stop them from using up my data plan and memory with that junk.

---

Just because an update to an app is (for example 8MB's) it doesn't mean when it's done installing, it has used up an additional 8MB's  of the phones memory.  The update removes some of the app and replaces it with the bug fixes and/or additional features. The resulting size increase to the overall app is many times extremely minimal.

[jroal]

I agree that we should be able to uninstall apps we don't want and started a similar thread here: https://community.verizonwireless.com/message/782767#782767

[commonsense101]

battery life has nothing to do with preloaded applications you dont use..

This thread reminds of people that whine about software updates like gingerbread and ice cream sandwich when it really doesn't add anything of value to the phone.. its just a buzz word to get upset over

Find a hobby, it is just a phone and bloatware doesn't affect your phone at all. Do some research on how android works

[jroal]

As an amateur app developer myself I have certainly researched Android and how it works.  Are you familiar with services, broadcast receivers, and intents?  Services and broadcast receivers run in the background.  They do use battery and RAM.  I have debloated devices and reduced battery consumption almost 50%.  Intents can be recieved by more than one broadcast receiver.  When this happens a dialog pops up for you to pick what to run.  Backup assitant, for instance, has services that run in the background.  It also sync's with a server so it is chewing up some data, generally not that much.  It is true that some of the bloatware apps don't run background services or broadcast receivers and those are not using any important resources.  They are just annoying clutter.  Its things like Backup Assistant that do use resources.  VZnavigator has broadcast receivers as do many others.

[Tidbits]

As a developer for the past 15 years and held various positions from the US government to firms like IBM and Ventura Technologies. It's not all that simple. Someone has to pay for it and it will be the consumer 100% of the time.

[Tidbits]

As for BA... Once a day... That isn't going to chew up 1% of your battery and isn't running like you assume. Learn what a daemon is, and you may get a better understanding of BA.

As long as the app doesn't use processes regardless if is loaded in ram or not(ram uses the same energy filled or not which has been proven) uses 0 battery. This is why GOOGLE and various Android developers(not the newbies) say task killers are useless.

[jroal]

... and now you work for Verizon, right?

[Tidbits]

Nope they probably wouldn't pay me my worth.

[Tidbits]

Want to make a wager? I can prove I have never applied, worked, have stock, or have any vested interest in ANY carrier in the world. If you win you can have my house and I'll fly you to Hawaii so you can live in it.