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I prefer System Panel as well.

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Cody, agreed.

 

Task killers are not a solution taken lightly. And, for the record, I'm generally in the same camp: trust Android memory management, no blanket task kill, use a system app to kill rogue programs chewing up processor cycles.

 

Thinking about this from another angle, it could very well be an older app which hasn't been optimized for use with DXGB, and not GB itself.

 

Which means I shouldn't speculate, but gather evidence. Now, how does one go about that? Are there any system apps which create event logs? Does GB create its own event logs which I can pull using the developers kit (have a copy for taking screen shots)? And then how do I make sense of what I collect?

 

If I post my general setup, would anybody here be interested in looking at it and offering advice?

 

Or do I just say the hell with it and expect my phone to reboot at any time, like when I'm trying to navigate somewhere, or make a call, or read the news?

 

Nah, I'm going digging.

 

Mike

Decisions, decisions...

 

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My approach to finding rogue APPS (and I *have* had to do this) is to first run in SAFE MODE for a while - some length of time that "proves" to me that the issue is due to something I did or installed. e.g.,  I had an issue that drove me NUTS for about 2 weeks - my phone had a horrible "lag" when I swiped it to Unlock .. it took 10 secs for it to totally wake up. I was blaming LPP, Extended Controls, everything.  I ran in SAFE MODE and did NOT have the problem. So I started on a week long journey of troubleshooting it. Used SYSTEM PANEL to start Stopping APPS.  It finally had it identified to the FACEBOOK Widget that I installed. I removed it and my phone was very snappy again.

 

So if you have a problem that you soncider "reproduceable", SAFE MODE is a good place to start -- but you want to make sure you don't start 3rd party APPS that you don't require during your testing.

 

 

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This is my third X, after rebooting issues caused by external source (router) had me on the exchange merry-go-round, had been flawless since the Dec update, until GB. Now, it's a flaky, buggy device, including more rebooting than the previous 6 months.

There have been many threads about rebooting. There is a thread in the Moto X forum about rebooting with over 200K views. That is a red flag.

Debate, pontificate, offer solutions, but this phone has had rebooting issues from day one. Enter an update into the mix and there you go......
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A level of prefrence is at hand on if a Task Killer is needed of not but I am one of the users that can report that I recieved more low memory reboots without one being used, so many use the agruement that Android has a memory manager and it is suppose to do this without a 3rd part app to handle this but then report to use a memory manger which is the same thing just marketed diffrently, they both are intended to closed unused files to restore memory to the system when needed, if I remember the System Panel is a task killer also with just a more detailed ui...

 

If all OS and software functions as advertised I think every one using Windows Mobile should be upset because it claims to have a memory manager and the devices are regularly crashing due to low memory, the developer will market a feature in a way that will confort the user to believe it will run smooth even if the option is flawed at best on handling the reported feature..

 

My suggestion is to read up on software functions to help you understand the app and then test the app yourself before deciding what works for you...

 

Since I havent tried System Panel on my device since GB update I think I will investigate this on my test unit while keeping ATK on my default device and see if I notice any diffrences... 

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Galaxy80 wrote:

crb79 wrote:

MrMRM513 wrote:
Sounds interesting, and I'd like to give task killing as you described it a try. Any recommended apps? Seems by their descriptions many task management apps kill by default and require users to block exceptions. Are there any that leave other apps alone except those you choose to restrict?

Thanks for the advice.


I've used Advanced Task Killer for almost the life of my phone.  I don't recall which version I'm running but I suspect it's currently the latest Froyo release.  It's default settings don't kill system programs, only apps.


I used Advance Task Killer for almost the life of my phone as well... Until I upgraded to Gingerbread. Task killers are a highly debated subject. But most people will tell you not to use them because they do more harm than good. Android manages its RAM differently than computers do. Computers will rely on the user to free up RAM. Android does this on its own. When you use task killers, it uses more battery and RAM than not using one. It takes processing power and RAM to kill apps. Gingerbread has a good manual task killer in the menu under Applications/Running Services. You can manually kill apps/services there. You can also click on the menu button and go to Cached Processes. There you can clear those..



Since installing ATK I easily get 2 full days out of 1 charge.  Last night I finished night 2 with 30% left, my largest battery drain was 42% to talk time which was 4hrs 20mins. The next largest was 21% to display and then each other item was under 10%.  Total elapsed time between charges was 1 day 19hours 22 mins.

 

One of these days I'll install a screenshot app and upload pictures.

 

As for those who say don't use one, you are more than free to never use one.  I just question all the people who preach to never use one but have never tried them.  I'll keep using mine and getting 2 days out of a charge when I need.  Oh, and it's also been 6 months since I last had to do a battery pull reset with over 300 apps installed.

 

Ford tells me what alternator I'm supposed to use in my truck, yet I run a different one for higher amps to charge a dual battery system.  Again Ford tells me I don't need 2 batteries, but where is Ford when my truck won't start because the single battery got drained using my winch?  Same with Android, they have very little control over developers and can't factor the behavior of every app.  Heck, Android continually messes up their own apps.  Where's those Android developers who told you that you "shouldn't" need a task killer?  I'll tell you, they are running to the bank to deposit your money into their accounts.

 

Oh, and I'd also like to point out that after over a year of being told we don't need a task killer;  Android 2.3 features.... you guessed it....  a built in task killer..........

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@ Wildman said:  "... snip ... if I remember the System Panel is a task killer also with just a more detailed ui..."

 

Actually, SYSTEM PANEL simply ALLOWS you to MANUALLY stop/close a task ... there is no automation to do so, unlike ATK's.


What I like about it is that it provides me the ANALYSIS to look at Active tasks and their CPU time consumed over a period of time (e.g., 2 hrs, 8 hrs, 1 day, etc.) . That monitoring is a switch that I can turn on or off.  If I happen to see something "suspicious", then it at least gives me some control over troubleshooting.  It really is a nice APP if you happen to be a bit computer literate, IMHO.   Or can can probably be overwhelming if your'e not.

 

YMMV

 

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Cody21 wrote:

@ Wildman said:  "... snip ... if I remember the System Panel is a task killer also with just a more detailed ui..."

 

Actually, SYSTEM PANEL simply ALLOWS you to MANUALLY stop/close a task ... there is no automation to do so, unlike ATK's.


What I like about it is that it provides me the ANALYSIS to look at Active tasks and their CPU time consumed over a period of time (e.g., 2 hrs, 8 hrs, 1 day, etc.) . That monitoring is a switch that I can turn on or off.  If I happen to see something "suspicious", then it at least gives me some control over troubleshooting.  It really is a nice APP if you happen to be a bit computer literate, IMHO.   Or can can probably be overwhelming if your'e not.

 

YMMV

 


I did like that about System Panel, the new GB system monitor allows you to see CPU use and battery drain of apps that run in the background as well.

 

Some people use a auto-kill blindly, I have apps I do not use set for auto-kill or apps that prove battery/cpu intensive while in background.

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Cody21 wrote:

@ Wildman said:  "... snip ... if I remember the System Panel is a task killer also with just a more detailed ui..."

 

Actually, SYSTEM PANEL simply ALLOWS you to MANUALLY stop/close a task ... there is no automation to do so, unlike ATK's.


What I like about it is that it provides me the ANALYSIS to look at Active tasks and their CPU time consumed over a period of time (e.g., 2 hrs, 8 hrs, 1 day, etc.) . That monitoring is a switch that I can turn on or off.  If I happen to see something "suspicious", then it at least gives me some control over troubleshooting.  It really is a nice APP if you happen to be a bit computer literate, IMHO.   Or can can probably be overwhelming if your'e not.

 

YMMV

 


I acknowledge the app has some attraction and in no way System Panel is a bad app but in the end the name of the app list the Task Killer as a major feature so I just do not get the concept of excluding the app as a task killer?   If you can pick the apps that you want to close without issues in System Panel, if you use ATK in the same manner it shouldnt make any diffrence if you set the app to auto close when placed in sleep mode and the user manually closing the task..

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@Wildman - not to belabor this (again) ...  my ONLY point is that there is nothing AUTOMATIC with the APP.  You must manually select and close (kill) an APP.    vs. "AUTOMATED" TASK KILLER that runs in the backround and kills tasks without the user probably noting.  There are many other ways to MANUALLY kill a running task, this just being one of them - but with more features. 

 

peace out

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