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not an issue for the basic user of a smart phone, even a big time gamer.

throttling is probably for business users trying to scam the system, a small percentage reflected in the verizon statement:

"Verizon Wireless strives to provide customers the best experience when using our network, a shared resource among tens of millions of customers. To help achieve this, if you use an extraordinary amount of data and fall within the top 5% of Verizon Wireless data users we may reduce your data throughput speeds periodically for the remainder of your then current and immediately following billing cycle to ensure high quality network performance for other users at locations and times of peak demand. Our proactive management of the Verizon Wireless network is designed to ensure that the remaining 95% of data customers aren't negatively affected by the inordinate data consumption of just a few users."
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"not an issue" is not the same as "truly unlimited", which is the only point I was making. I don't feel that either VzW's nor Sprint's asterisks on "unlimited*" are remotely unfair, and have no problems agreeing to either one.
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crb79 wrote:

Here's something to ponder:  VZW is currently the SOLE nationwide provider to offer TRULY UNLIMITED mobile DATA.  

 

But not for long, alas. Verizon has been hinting for months throughout industry news outlets it's been considering capped plans, and stated flatly earier this spring they'll be initating those caps by later this summer.


 

As such it's understandable that they would request the Manufacturers to add measures to prevent this service from being abused, hense things like MotoBlur.... HTC Sense....

 

Due respect, but I don't understand how largely cosmetic skin overlays like MotoBlur and HTC Sense limit data usage, and therefore why manufacturers would put them to that purpose. I think HTC and Motorola employ them to establish a unique identity in the Android market. Problem is, once they reprogram, they introduce bugs and burn performance. 


 

As for the preInstalled additional cost apps, you can't hold it against VZW for attempting to make a few extra bucks.

 

You're absolutely right, and I'm all for making money, too.


 

I'm personally glad that VZW stopped locking down GPS chips and only allowing their paid app to utilize them.

 

I'll have to look into this, but I think Google leveraged that decision. Motorola floundered badly after the Razr until the original DROID saved their skins. Google sensed they had suction on software decisions and wouldn't allow MotoRizon to put it on their phones if their products couldn't access GPS for location services. 


 

 It annoys me as well that apps which I do not use load into memory, which is why I use an Automated Task Killer to kill those processes and keep them from running.

 

I guess my point is that you shouldn't have to use a task killer. If these are value-added applications let Verizon present them as such. Let the strength or weakness of the software be determined by the market. If users want to keep the software, so be it. But don't lock your software into a device and prevent your customers from deleting it if they don't want or use it. That's not commerce, it's coersion. Has Verizon so little confidence in its products' ability to compete that it has to force customers to keep the stuff on their own devices?


 

It will be a long time before companies stop trying to get you for more money by buying additional products or services.  Heck, Ford will still try to terminate your vehicle warranty for not using Motorcraft oil....   It's just the way business works....

 

And, eventually people figure it out and leave. En masse, American auto makers foisted planned obsolecense on their customers throughout the '80s, designing cars to fall apart in five years so customers would be forced to buy new ones. "Nobody buys that Japanese crap," they said. "They'll have to stick with Detroit. We'll make billions!" The market was vastly smarter than Ford and GM predicted; people flocked to Asian makers for better product, because they had better alternatives. That's also how business works. And Virgin, a British company, is betting on the same thing.

 

Just for the heck of it let's ponder this. Let's say Joe buys a Ford. Buys it on a loan. When paid, it's his. But the manufacturer insists on loading an application that forces Joe to choose which gas station to use at any given time. And for his troubles Joe pays the manufacturer a surcharge for that software. Joe's car also forces him to pick which sunshield he'd rather use, the fuzzy gray one or the pink translucent one, and won't let him drive until he chooses. This Ford approved application loads on top of all the other software that governs the car once Joe kicks the ignition. The engine's running, but the car won't move until that app has loaded. This wastes Joe's gas, but there's nothing Joe can do about it. And this useless though restrictive software will remain on the car for the life of the vehicle, long after Joe's paid it off and "owns" the thing outright. Oh, and if Joe tampers with that software, his warranty's kaput.

 

Sounds crazy when you talk about cars, but that's what you live with on your phone. Not so crazy now, eh?

 

 

Mike

Nissan driver

 

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jax_omen:
"not an issue" is not the same as "truly unlimited", which is the only point I was making. I don't feel that either VzW's nor Sprint's asterisks on "unlimited*" are remotely unfair, and have no problems agreeing to either one."

"not an issue" to me means unlimited for my use.
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And Seether's known for a song called "Rise About This". I think we should all do that.

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