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      • 30. Re: Why don't people like iPhones?
        Jax_Omen
        I love "kool-aid" replies... it's always used to refer to people who "drink the kool-aid" as if the drink is a mind control agent, but it refers, historically, to a cult who committed ritualistic suicide by poison in the kool-aid.

        food for thought :smileytongue:
        • 31. Re: Why don't people like iPhones?
          droidsw

          Yeah, specifically the "comet" cult near San Diego many years ago. The bizarre looks on the faces of the sheep in some of those Apple presentations reminded me of that bunch.

          The way they idolized Jobs (God rest his soul) and seemed hypnotized by him and Apple products was almost on a religious level. CNN even put together a report on it. http://articles.cnn.com/2011-05-19/tech/apple.religion_1_apple-store-apple-employees-brains?_s=PM:TECH

          • 32. Re: Why don't people like iPhones?
            Tidbits
            That's not completely true. I have seen Android users automatically call someone things based on the device they have without knowing the person. At my work place we have a variety of devices for development and I see it on a daily basis when customers come in. Sometimes that name calling and ridicule is what causes the "iCult" behavior. I have used Android long before Google purchased Android. I have also used the first generation iPhone. There is no difference to me on what someone wants to use. These types of discussions honestly is just to justify what one wants to use in 99% of the time.

            I always say use what YOU want and don't give a rats behind on what other people say. They are not paying your bills and don't own your life.
            • 33. Re: Why don't people like iPhones?
              Jax_Omen
              I have used Android long before Google purchased Android. You were using Android in it's pre-alpha state? Google purchased android well prior to the release of the G1.
              • 34. Re: Why don't people like iPhones?
                droidsw
                Maybe, their past experiences with folks that "use a certain device" have led them to form that opinion, so they expect them all to be the same?

                Maybe, the cultish, grandiose attitudes of that bunch turn people off?

                I agree though. My next phone may be iOS and I won't care what anyone thinks.
                • 35. Re: Why don't people like iPhones?
                  Tidbits
                  Android was around long before Google bought them. It is similar to how Meego is now. It was NEVER in alpha when Google bought them.
                  • 36. Re: Why don't people like iPhones?
                    kaebfly

                    droidsw wrote:

                    Kaebfly, from my (an Android owner) perspective, I have struck up many a conversation about smartphones. It's always interesting, no matter what phone a person has.

                    It's not world hunger, or the economy, but it makes good conversation.

                    The adjectives I refer to come from how many iphone owners have ZERO clues about other phones,yet dismiss them all, including BB, Windows, etc.

                    I know a decent amount about all. Not saying they should, but don't claim your phone is the best based on what you are told.

                    Example: An iphone fan I work with was ecstatic over the "new" Notification Bar coming to iOS. When I explained my Android has had this for over a year, he said, "I don't care".

                    Example 2: When I brought up widgets to an iphone person, he replied, "I don't know what they are and don't want to know".

                    In other words, the attitude of a lot of ifans is "when our leaders give it to us on our phones, THEN it becomes relevant".

                    Otherwise, yes it could be a coincidence that the people I've known, met, dealt with in business, etc, that have iphones are the way they are personality wise.

                    And another comment on the "cult" thing, which of course, is tongue-in-cheek. Google any of the new product "get togethers" at Apple, especially when the iphone was first released. Look at the facial expressions, excitement, almost to the point where "passing around the Kool-aid" seems likely.


                    Honestly, I don't think the iPhone "cult" memebers are any different than any other "cult" memebers (for devices)....everybody wants to feel like they have the greatest...especially those that have the need to get the latest device no matter the cost. And...if whatever device they choose does what they need it to do and makes them happy then yes, they do have the best device....for them. Nothing wrong with that. It becomes extremely childish when it turns into some twisted "my device is better than yours and if you don't believe it then it's because you're brainwashed". If someone asked me about widgets...my answer would likely be "I don't really have a need or desire for widgets right now." I don't feel that way because Apple doesn't use them....I just genuinely don't have much interest in them. I don't even use the widgets on my PC and never have. Not saying they are bad or anything...they just don't sit high on my list....and if Apple suddenly started using them I would still be the same. And the Example you gave about the notification system....why would you want to deflate that persons joy? Your examples didn't imply that what you have is irrelevant because their "leaders" haven't given it to them yet but when they do then it will be. Unless you left out the part where the people in example 1 & 2 kept saying the Android was a less superior phone and spent endless time explaining why. It just sounds like person #1 was excitied about a new feature their device was getting...and you kind of (perhaps) rubbing it in that your device had the same thing for over a year made them respond with "I don't care". Person #2...they just told their truth...they didn't know what widgets were and didn't care. Unless they said when Apple puts it on the iPhone then I will care all I got from it is they just didn't care about widgets...

                     

                    Point is...yes there are loyal Apple fans. Yes..there are loyal Android fans. But what everyone needs to accept is this...THERE IS NO "BEST" DEVICE. If there were then we wouldn't have so many new devices coming out on a regular bases. There is always something else that alleges to be better just around the corner. That's the joy of technology.

                    • 37. Re: Why don't people like iPhones?
                      droidsw
                      Kaebfly, did I really have to say that the persons in my two examples constantly belittled every other device but their own?

                      I wasn't trying to urinate on their parade, but merely trying to educate them to the facts that other platforms are out there and give some examples of things Android has. These were conversations, not arguments.

                      It's difficult to recreate a person's attitude in writing, but take my word for it, in both examples arrogant and obnoxious were adequate descriptions.

                      No surprise you defend them. And no, Android owners don't come anywhere near the level of obnoxiousness (if that's a word).

                      But that's my opinion and these are my personal observations.

                      And no, NO device is perfect. Even more reason that cultish behavior (on either side) is ridiculous. On that, we agree.
                      • 38. Re: Why don't people like iPhones?
                        kaebfly

                        droidsw wrote:
                        Kaebfly, did I really have to say that the persons in my two examples constantly belittled every other device but their own?

                        I wasn't trying to urinate on their parade, but merely trying to educate them to the facts that other platforms are out there and give some examples of things Android has. These were conversations, not arguments.

                        It's difficult to recreate a person's attitude in writing, but take my word for it, in both examples arrogant and obnoxious were adequate descriptions.

                        No surprise you defend them. And no, Android owners don't come anywhere near the level of obnoxiousness (if that's a word).

                        But that's my opinion and these are my personal observations.

                        And no, NO device is perfect. Even more reason that cultish behavior (on either side) is ridiculous. On that, we agree.


                        Actually...it would have helped a great deal if you had said the people in your examples belittled every other device but their own. Otherwise, your words have to be taken at face value OR the reader has to be someone that assumes that just because the people in your example are iPhone users they are automatically arrogant and obnoxious. Because I (and I truly hope I'm not the only person) don't assume anything about anyone just because they use any device there was no way for me to automatically know that those people were anything but what your typed words said (excited about an update to their device and not very interested in a feature you mentioned to them).

                         

                        And just so that we are clear...I did NOT defend anyone...it's difficult to defend people that I have never laid eyes on. All I stated was that barring you leaving out some information that would create a different scenario than you described (which is what you did by not making it clear that your examples were "arrogant and obnoxious") that there didn't seem to be anything that warranted cult-like behavior. I'll assume you are making the same blanket opionion of myself based on your "No surprise you defend them" comment  solely because I own an iPhone. You're entitled to your opinion...when it's based on something real. But for you to imply an opinion about me based on nothing else than the fact that I own an iPhone is ignorant and makes you no better than the people you seem to encounter and their attitudes just because they own the iPhone. I'm a lot of things...that I will own and admit without an ounce of hesitation. But I guarantee you that you will not find a single person that has actually laid eyes on me in the real world (I won't even give the distinction of actually KNOWING me because it doesn't take truy knowing a person for anyone to garner any opinion about them....but it's impossible to have an opinion about someone based solely on what phone they use because you read about it on an internet forum) that will say their opinion about me is based on me using an iPhone. Why? Because I don't care what phone I have unless I had to accept or make a phone call or the person met me while I was playing a video game or something in a waiting room they wouldn't know what phone I have without asking me in some random conversation. I have never been a part of the "look at what I have" crowd...most people don't know I have an iPhone even when they see me using it because none of it's tell-tell signs are visable (no one sees the apple logo, no one sees the metal siding...other than the fact that it's a touch screen that's all you can easily identify on my phone unless you really look at it and pay attention to the shape of the case (excluding if for some reason the main scream is illuminated...then that's obvious)...and I'm still often asked "Is that an iPhone?"...more people seem surprised I covered it up instead of making sure everyone saw it's "sexiness" (yes, someone actually said that to me...which made me look at them like THEY were insane).

                         

                        Now, in my experience...the only cult-ish people I have come across were not in the "real" world...it's been on forums like this...the only obnoxious because they think their phone is better than anyone else's...again, on forums like this. The only place I have ever seen Android vs iPhone e-fights....on the internet! And...trust me...the cult like behavior is not in the least bit lopsided. Go to any iPhone forum or an article that discusses anything about the iPhone and the "I hate iPhones and all things Apple" rhetoric is astronomical...the sentiment is fine if that's the way you feel. The obsurdity is the fact that if you feel that way why in the world do you bother going to forums and articles that are clearly about the device and company you don't care for?  (and "you" is general...sometimes that needs to be pointed out or people take offense and think something is being directed at them). Same thing to any die-hard Apple fan....if you refuse to even acknowledge the exisitence of anything not made by Apple...why are you lurking around on Android sites trying to stir the pot? People seem to be far more willing to do these childish and petty things at the comfort of their well hidden internet safety net (via a computer or their "better than anyone else's" device). It's all a bit pathetic. It will never end of course...and sometimes it's pretty amusing to see just how (for lack of better words) nerdy some people can be when it comes to fighting for their tech device loves...but when you let the entertainment of it all spill into your ability to seperate a person from what device they use...it's sad.

                        • 39. Re: Why don't people like iPhones?
                          Tidbits

                          droidsw wrote:
                          Kaebfly, did I really have to say that the persons in my two examples constantly belittled every other device but their own?

                          I wasn't trying to urinate on their parade, but merely trying to educate them to the facts that other platforms are out there and give some examples of things Android has. These were conversations, not arguments.

                          It's difficult to recreate a person's attitude in writing, but take my word for it, in both examples arrogant and obnoxious were adequate descriptions.

                          No surprise you defend them. And no, Android owners don't come anywhere near the level of obnoxiousness (if that's a word).

                          But that's my opinion and these are my personal observations.

                          And no, NO device is perfect. Even more reason that cultish behavior (on either side) is ridiculous. On that, we agree.Ac
                          This is false.  I have seen it go both ways. I can honestly say i have been on both sides of the fence.
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